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welcome to shattered reality with your

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hosts kate valentine and Farrugia

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prepare to have your paradigms shifted

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into truths questioned and now shattered

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reality why thanks for tuning in this is

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Kate Valentine and this is for Russia

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and we are most honored today to have as

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our guests miss Ellen Hodgson Brown she

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has written several books 11 actually

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the one will be discussing today is the

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one I certainly find incredibly

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important it's the web of debt and it's

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also canoe title continues the shocking

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truth about our money system the sleight

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of hand that has trapped us in debt and

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how we can break free I will sail and

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are you not only described the problems

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in the system you're one of the few

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authors that describe how to get out of

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it and I thank you so much for having

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written this book oh thanks yeah I

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always try to give solutions because you

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can get pretty depressed thinking about

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very kind of me unless you start

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thinking about well how do we get out of

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this I mean you have to think outside

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the box just inside the box we're sort

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of in deep trouble we're stuck in there

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and I'll tell you you know the subtitle

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of this show is to get your paradigm

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shifted and nothing is a shifting a

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paradigm as your books on its I just

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want to say one thing before we start

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that it's vital absolutely vital for

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anybody listening to this show to do

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yourself do your family a favor go out

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get this book web of debt read it

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understand it and then do something

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about it so Ellen anyway the way you

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described this and I find it very good

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as you use frank Baum's analogy of The

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Wizard of Oz and you sort of follow that

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through how could you just tell our

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listeners how you happen to pick the

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wizard of oz

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well the Wizard of Oz is actually

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written as a monetary allegory in the

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1890s and in fact that was what problems

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when I discovered that that was what

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prompted me to write this book I mean I

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was always quite interested in the

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subject and I had done a lot of research

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in it but I didn't really know what I

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could say that would be unique and you

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know make it more interesting than your

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average dry as a moment textbook until I

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discovered that about the wizard of us

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so in the 1890s there was there was a

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depression that was quite like the

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depression of the 1930s almost as bad

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and before that at that time they didn't

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have social security i mean people were

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just if you were out of work you were

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sleeping in barns that were you know

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just out in the street so conditions

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were quite bad and there was a movement

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to a restore the greenback system of

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Abraham Lincoln so the original money

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system of the American colonies was to

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just issue their own money they just

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printed this paper script which were

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basically receipts from the government

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acknowledging that Goods their services

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had been delivered to the government and

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that and that the recipient had received

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something or had given something to the

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collective goodwill and we was do that

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in return so those receipts traded in

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the community and what allowed them to

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keep their value is that they were

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acceptable in payment of taxes and

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that's actually what people think our

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money is today you see the pictures of

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the presidents and on you know on the

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coins and the dollar bills and you think

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that money is issued by the government

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but very little of our money is actually

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issued by the government today most of

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it is created by private banks when they

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make loans and that means that we're

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paying tribute to a private monopoly

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basically or Oleg opoly that did not

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have the money in the first place I mean

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you might think all right it's their

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money is there gold or whatever and we

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want to borrow it so okay we owe them

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some interest fair enough but it wasn't

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even their money and if

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restless they actually create the money

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on their books and they created as loans

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this was acknowledged a year ago by the

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bank of england where they wrote in

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their quarterly report because it's you

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know people have been debating this for

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years but they said contrary to popular

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belief banks do not lend their two

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closets in other words they're not even

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lending their own money they're not

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letting our money either as most people

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the process of making much yeah and i

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think one of the chief just just to get

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into its the Federal Reserve System I

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think if nothing else comes out of this

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people have to understand that the

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federal reserve system is not federal

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has nothing to do with the government

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and it has no reserves whatsoever it is

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just owned by several commercial banks

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and it prints money for this country and

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as such more or less controls almost

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everything and I think that's where

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people that listen to the show out of

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the conspiracy theorists that's where

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they you know it's always like follow

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the money follow the money and that's

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the yellow brick road if you will of

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conspiracy theorists and you bring this

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to light I mean I never realized that

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banks actually no longer have money I

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have I have a question okay just on the

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sideline here you mentioned the Wizard

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of Oz and they're being of it being an

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allegory so to speak of what was going

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on in the day and you sort of went into

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you know at the time the 1890s and so

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forth but frank Baum wrote about eight

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books in the series The Wizard of Oz is

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there something to be found in each of

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them or just the first one well I didn't

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actually finish that story so so that

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the American colonists issued their own

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money then when we became a country that

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they issued it until King George forbade

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them to do it and then some commentators

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say that was the real reason for the

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American Revolution that they cut us off

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from issuing our own money we had to

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borrow from the bank of england and we

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didn't have gold so so so we went to war

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work to regain the right printer on

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money but during the war the Continental

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is a currency that they did print got

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devalued and so the founding fathers

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were afraid to to make that the official

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currency so we wound up on a gold system

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the banks wound up creating our money on

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a fractional reserve system where they

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banknotes which were paper money I'm

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means of federal reserve bank note or

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promissory note so they would issue

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their own banknotes supposedly backed by

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gold meaning you could take that note

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bank but the bank only held about ten

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percent of the gold necessary to back

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all the notes that they printed so they

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were lending out a lot of notes that

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were not backed by gold so nine tenths

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of their notes were just printed paper

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money so that's where the money was

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on that system and it still is today

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standard and then during the Civil War

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Abraham Lincoln in order to avoid

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borrowing heavily as you would have had

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to do and as typically happens in wars

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bankers the big banks that sort of

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precipitate wars or certainly encourage

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wars because they always win both ways I

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mean they both parties go into debt and

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so that they come out the big creditors

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of countries after Wars so to avoid that

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earth had the government issue its own

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system of the American colonists so

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these were called us notes or greenbacks

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and you can still find us notes today I

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know my mother has one in her

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collections 95 but anyways she's got one

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the 1890s there was a movement to go

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back to that system and this was the

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first ever march on Washington where so

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in the news that there were this

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these group of people they were out of

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work laborers and so forth farmers who

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marched all the way from Ohio to

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Washington DC so this is a major March I

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should just watch it marching around the

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capital like they do today but they

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march long distances in order to try to

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get Congress to go back to issuing their

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own money and they would use that money

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for one was the good road spill so it

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was basically for infrastructure

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rebuilding the roads and this would put

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labor back to work and another they

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would use some other money to make cheap

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loans to the state government but of

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course it didn't it didn't pass but it

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was quite unique this march on

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Washington and so that was the basis of

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the plot of The Wizard of Oz where

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Dorothy and her three friends who are

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not exactly human but anyway this motley

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crew of people who think they they need

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they they're looking outside themselves

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for solutions and it turns out that the

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wizard that they thought would solve

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their problems didn't have the answer or

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you know he wasn't the magician that

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they thought he was but the the answer

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was within themselves frank Baum was

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also he was not only a populist to march

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by night for William Jennings Bryan than

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the populace candidate but he was a

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theosophist and that basic premise of

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theosophy is you create your own reality

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you are what you believe so so they

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manage so that side so I tried to carry

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that theme through as well in the web of

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debt that we can have it all I mean we

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can manifest our own reality which

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holding us back is this false belief

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that we're in debt that were limited by

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this debt to people who are lending us

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something that should have been ours in

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the first place I mean it's really we

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have the credit within ourselves we have

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the national credit that could just be

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issued to create the abundance that we

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need and deserve and are actually

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capable of manifesting and this has been

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done before like in Australia in 1912

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about the we set up the Federal Reserve

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13 in 1912 Australia was also going

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through a depression and they decided

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that I mean it was a global depression

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and they decided that that the private

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banks had failed and that they needed a

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public bank too and so the government

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set up this truly public bank unlike

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ours which is purported to be serving

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the government and they used that bank

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to just issue the national credit

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without backing up by anything they just

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paid workers and materials for doing

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things for the government and in this

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products and they funded their

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participation in World War one but the

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governor of the bank who is the clever

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guy who instituted the system made the

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mistake of going to England after that

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I'm boasting that the Australian people

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didn't need to borrow from the bank of

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england that anything that they could

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imagine they could have just by you know

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they could issue the money and they

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could produce the thing and that was

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such a threat to the bank of england but

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for unknown reasons he passed away

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suddenly after that i'll have a heart

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attack i mean i don't know that there

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was any conspiracy involved there but

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after that the bank of england came up

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with this new rules new system which was

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the central banking system not where

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well i think that's been a bad Bugaboo I

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mean it's sort of the government never

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letting a crisis go to waste as our

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present government keeps telling us and

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out of the one back in the early 1900's

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that gave rise to both the federal

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income tax which I believe was passed

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that was unconstitutional up until the

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time an amendment was passed and i

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believe the amendment was passed on

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christmas eve with a bare quorum of the

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senate president at that time most of

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whom had banking affiliations and not

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only that but the federal reserve was

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also created in that year and i think

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the rest of course is just history today

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today iceland has a broken away and they

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seem to have thrown the bankers out and

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started

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you and doing pretty well what can you

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speak to that yeah well the European

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countries in general Iceland was

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attempting to get into the EU but they

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they weren't and aren't a member of the

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EU right country currents countries like

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Ireland and Greece were forced to take

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these big bailouts from from the troika

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that the European Central Bank the IMF

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and the EU European Commission in order

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to bail bit well first they bailed out

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their big banks but they were forced to

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do it in order to save the big foreign

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investors which would be like Goldman

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Sachs you know it was all right bizarre

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beings that were invested there so

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iceland got in the same sort of trouble

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but it was such a huge it would have

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bankrupted the people of Iceland if they

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had actually actually gone through with

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bailing out their big banks and so they

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revolted and refused to do it but they

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were not part of the EU no I know though

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they could get away with it yeah but

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there was a big faction that wanted to

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be part of the EU and that so there was

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a major faction the wish that would have

334
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gone along with this bailout but but the

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people revolted and and one well you

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wouldn't would you say that was for the

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best that the people revolted against

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the the idea yeah definitely I mean they

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came out they suffered at first as you

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would anticipate of course there was a

341
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their currency last value and but but

342
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they've recovered much better than the

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it well then Greece for example they're

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doing much better than Greece did that

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once you get through that initial period

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I think we should do the same thing but

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of course Greece is a member of the EU

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and there's so much pressure for them to

349
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they have they a kind of a different

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circumstance I think than Iceland and a

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different cultural I me my don't think

352
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it's the right word but you know like

353
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the Icelandic are very independent take

354
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care of themselves kind of people

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because they're on that little cold

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island

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they know that anything that is not on

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the island they're going to have to you

359
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know make up for themselves whereas

360
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grease is on a crossroads of a great

361
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deal of of illegal immigration and it

362
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greases in a tight spot but they don't

363
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have the same work ethic as the people

364
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in Iceland do so both things seem to be

365
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working against them I don't know yeah

366
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no I agree that they're in a different

367
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situation but but still they've been

368
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really pushed to the wall and it seems

369
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to me they're going to have to do

370
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something yes it interesting time to see

371
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what happens you don't sound country

372
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Ellen if if you had to guess how many

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actual people do you think are behind

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this because you can't call it American

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or European or anything I mean this is

376
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truly international now how many people

377
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do you think are behind controlling the

378
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money supplies actual individuals I know

379
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at one time they said David Rockefeller

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whoo-hoo next month we'll be celebrating

381
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his hundredth anniversary birthday I one

382
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time they said thought David Rockefeller

383
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was at the head of it but i remember

384
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back in you know the book the creature

385
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from jekyll island at that time they

386
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felt seven people control the money

387
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supply of the world do you think it's

388
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still just a handful of individuals well

389
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i know you talk about UFOs when you're

390
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yeah listen nothing is i will tell you

391
00:17:22,140 --> 00:17:19,930
know Ellen nothing is a paranormal as

392
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the money supply I mean you can talk

393
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about go sleep it and how could seven

394
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people even do it I would almost guess

395
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that there are bigger forces you said

396
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yeah this has gone on for centuries

397
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really if you yes back yes what do you

398
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think are these bigger forces well I

399
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wouldn't be surprised if it was some

400
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form of non-human seriously wow you

401
00:17:51,360 --> 00:17:48,070
surprised me by that yeah I think that

402
00:17:52,740 --> 00:17:51,370
she's not the only um lettuce quick do

403
00:17:55,620 --> 00:17:52,750
you mind if I call you a renegade

404
00:18:00,480 --> 00:17:55,630
economist she's not the only one

405
00:18:02,940 --> 00:18:00,490
I've heard other economists suggest

406
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something similar and I kind of bowled

407
00:18:07,980 --> 00:18:05,920
over by it myself when they said it yeah

408
00:18:10,830 --> 00:18:07,990
i can give you two Paul Hellyer was

409
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former defense secretary of Canada and

410
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he says it and he's he's a money

411
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reformer who has written several books

412
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on money reform and Catherine Ashton

413
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said that's the one that is the one that

414
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I her cherry of HUD and lost everything

415
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and was her life was at risk and she you

416
00:18:31,380 --> 00:18:29,140
know she did not want to believe this

417
00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:31,390
either but she tracked her down and she

418
00:18:37,470 --> 00:18:33,730
says that's what it is she's the one

419
00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:37,480
that I heard speaking about met much of

420
00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:39,250
the same things that you're speaking

421
00:18:44,940 --> 00:18:41,770
about she's the one who said she thought

422
00:18:47,910 --> 00:18:44,950
that there was something unusual behind

423
00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:47,920
this it is that it's so powerful I mean

424
00:18:52,860 --> 00:18:50,410
how could any family be that powerful I

425
00:18:54,990 --> 00:18:52,870
mean look at the military with chem

426
00:18:56,700 --> 00:18:55,000
trails and harp and all the things that

427
00:18:58,920 --> 00:18:56,710
we know they're capable of they want to

428
00:19:02,910 --> 00:18:58,930
control the weather by 2025 I mean that

429
00:19:04,350 --> 00:19:02,920
was that was totally published in 1999

430
00:19:06,060 --> 00:19:04,360
the Air Force came out with the thing

431
00:19:08,900 --> 00:19:06,070
that said controlling the weather by

432
00:19:11,430 --> 00:19:08,910
2025 and their their alleged

433
00:19:13,980 --> 00:19:11,440
justification was that the tools are

434
00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:13,990
there I guess there are like 150 patents

435
00:19:19,050 --> 00:19:15,970
or something and controlling the weather

436
00:19:21,450 --> 00:19:19,060
yes anything and I'm sorry go Hannah

437
00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:21,460
sorry if the tools are there and

438
00:19:27,060 --> 00:19:24,490
therefore we the Americans need to be

439
00:19:29,460 --> 00:19:27,070
first somebody else doesn't use them

440
00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:29,470
against do you think that you know

441
00:19:34,020 --> 00:19:32,050
Russia might be using it against us now

442
00:19:36,390 --> 00:19:34,030
in our far west I mean I've heard no

443
00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:36,400
thrown out no I think China is doing it

444
00:19:40,140 --> 00:19:38,410
to California because it'd be easy for

445
00:19:42,090 --> 00:19:40,150
their both Pacific nations and now I

446
00:19:44,070 --> 00:19:42,100
have the specific trade agreement going

447
00:19:45,750 --> 00:19:44,080
on and this enormous drought in

448
00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:45,760
California that's killing this they

449
00:19:50,370 --> 00:19:47,530
think it's China I think it's rush about

450
00:19:53,430 --> 00:19:50,380
that go figure but it's aliens didn't

451
00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:53,440
even get that technology I'm yeah you

452
00:19:57,120 --> 00:19:55,090
know you know I'll tell you the truth I

453
00:20:00,360 --> 00:19:57,130
think it goes back to Sitchin and the

454
00:20:03,780 --> 00:20:00,370
old biblical days and you know the of

455
00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:03,790
the Templars yeah the Templars I love

456
00:20:07,500 --> 00:20:05,290
that i was tempted to write about that i

457
00:20:08,850 --> 00:20:07,510
would that way to my next book but i can

458
00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:08,860
although me say this on your show

459
00:20:13,830 --> 00:20:11,650
but you know I'm head of the public the

460
00:20:18,390 --> 00:20:13,840
Institute and they they discourage me

461
00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:18,400
from going too far I'll say where did we

462
00:20:24,030 --> 00:20:22,210
come from what it's up it's obviously

463
00:20:27,750 --> 00:20:24,040
all connected I mean you can't

464
00:20:30,900 --> 00:20:27,760
disconnect your sis you are your DNA

465
00:20:32,970 --> 00:20:30,910
from now you can't and look at this the

466
00:20:35,010 --> 00:20:32,980
Knights Templar go down to Jerusalem

467
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come back with the treasure of Solomon

468
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not seven guys are not going to slip

469
00:20:41,310 --> 00:20:38,440
back a whole bunch of jewels from

470
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Jerusalem they came back with the idea

471
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of fractional reserve and compound

472
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interest and those two ideas alone

473
00:20:52,590 --> 00:20:50,049
allowed them to initially gather up the

474
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entire money supply of Europe obviously

475
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they became an terrible threat to the

476
00:21:00,600 --> 00:20:58,120
Kings they were killed off and but the

477
00:21:02,510 --> 00:21:00,610
Kings by then learned how to do this and

478
00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:02,520
as you said then the Bank of England

479
00:21:07,169 --> 00:21:04,690
institutionalized Frank fractional

480
00:21:09,299 --> 00:21:07,179
banking and the rest becomes history and

481
00:21:12,210 --> 00:21:09,309
and so where did Solomon learn all this

482
00:21:14,310 --> 00:21:12,220
from he was a brilliant individual and

483
00:21:16,590 --> 00:21:14,320
perhaps he figured it out I don't know I

484
00:21:19,500 --> 00:21:16,600
don't know but that's my little theory

485
00:21:22,919 --> 00:21:19,510
or not but yeah somebody somewhere was

486
00:21:27,870 --> 00:21:22,929
afraid he told ya there was a theory out

487
00:21:30,810 --> 00:21:27,880
there floated about ancient Africa down

488
00:21:34,799 --> 00:21:30,820
in the southeast of Africa where the

489
00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:34,809
gold mines now all right namibia and i

490
00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:36,850
can't think of the name I guess South

491
00:21:42,980 --> 00:21:39,730
Africa and a few of those other

492
00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:42,990
countries and if you go in on a

493
00:21:49,260 --> 00:21:46,690
helicopter ride or if you were taking

494
00:21:53,340 --> 00:21:49,270
pictures from space you can see these

495
00:21:56,460 --> 00:21:53,350
kind of unusual circles and there was

496
00:22:00,690 --> 00:21:56,470
some kind of its Adams calendar yeah

497
00:22:04,260 --> 00:22:00,700
theory formulated that there were there

498
00:22:06,450 --> 00:22:04,270
were some aliens and I'm this is a total

499
00:22:08,250 --> 00:22:06,460
theory i'm not saying i subscribe to it

500
00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:08,260
but i'm throwing it out there because

501
00:22:13,620 --> 00:22:10,090
we're talking about these things that

502
00:22:16,799 --> 00:22:13,630
there were some form of aliens that had

503
00:22:19,260 --> 00:22:16,809
enslaved the humans much as some of the

504
00:22:22,620 --> 00:22:19,270
population of africa is enslaved now by

505
00:22:25,950 --> 00:22:22,630
the mine owners and these aliens were

506
00:22:29,490 --> 00:22:25,960
were bound to take the gold out and they

507
00:22:33,210 --> 00:22:29,500
valued the gold as we value the gold

508
00:22:37,710 --> 00:22:33,220
which brings up a question what is so

509
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:37,720
special about gold and and what effect

510
00:22:43,380 --> 00:22:40,930
is bitchin yeah what would it what do

511
00:22:45,030 --> 00:22:43,390
you feel about the ghost standard Ellen

512
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:45,040
I mean what do you do you have any

513
00:22:49,710 --> 00:22:46,930
theories about that what is so special

514
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:49,720
about gold because it's always been

515
00:22:56,820 --> 00:22:53,250
valued well going back to Sitchin

516
00:22:59,550 --> 00:22:56,830
supposedly there was the gods who came

517
00:23:02,670 --> 00:22:59,560
down were or the aliens who came down

518
00:23:04,290 --> 00:23:02,680
we're looking for gold because it wasn't

519
00:23:07,140 --> 00:23:04,300
the real it wasn't the actual physical

520
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:07,150
gold but the essence of gold and I think

521
00:23:11,460 --> 00:23:08,770
it was it was either the thing that

522
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:11,470
allowed them to have an eternal life or

523
00:23:16,170 --> 00:23:14,290
I read somewhere that it was it was like

524
00:23:19,500 --> 00:23:16,180
chem trails that they because they had

525
00:23:23,100 --> 00:23:19,510
destroyed the atmosphere on their planet

526
00:23:24,750 --> 00:23:23,110
they needed the gold it was to you know

527
00:23:28,950 --> 00:23:24,760
if you put that up in the atmosphere you

528
00:23:30,390 --> 00:23:28,960
could you could block out the or somehow

529
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:30,400
you could restore the environment they

530
00:23:34,830 --> 00:23:32,050
had destroyed their atmosphere just as

531
00:23:37,650 --> 00:23:34,840
we are destroying ours now and they

532
00:23:39,500 --> 00:23:37,660
needed it for their chem trails and

533
00:23:43,020 --> 00:23:39,510
things I think that was a decision

534
00:23:45,270 --> 00:23:43,030
anyway mr. Callander who is written

535
00:23:48,450 --> 00:23:45,280
about that has telling the gold mines in

536
00:23:49,860 --> 00:23:48,460
Africa yeah all right so you know it's

537
00:23:54,150 --> 00:23:49,870
interesting let's go to the gold mines

538
00:23:56,070 --> 00:23:54,160
in the enslavement uh how the thing that

539
00:23:59,040 --> 00:23:56,080
I could never get straight in my head is

540
00:24:02,490 --> 00:23:59,050
how again a handful forget it aliens

541
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:02,500
humans whatever can control literally

542
00:24:08,130 --> 00:24:05,890
billions of people I think you make that

543
00:24:10,110 --> 00:24:08,140
point so well in your book like

544
00:24:12,690 --> 00:24:10,120
everybody waits for the white knight to

545
00:24:16,350 --> 00:24:12,700
come over the horizon and save us all

546
00:24:18,870 --> 00:24:16,360
from ourselves but unless we again like

547
00:24:21,330 --> 00:24:18,880
in The Wizard of Oz unless we take care

548
00:24:24,300 --> 00:24:21,340
of it ourselves ain't nobody coming over

549
00:24:26,610 --> 00:24:24,310
the horizon and so you have to spread

550
00:24:29,810 --> 00:24:26,620
the knowledge and knowledge is power and

551
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:29,820
I think that's one of the reasons that

552
00:24:34,950 --> 00:24:32,410
economics and so on is always considered

553
00:24:36,190 --> 00:24:34,960
such an obscure topic and you know don't

554
00:24:38,049 --> 00:24:36,200
bother your head

555
00:24:40,870 --> 00:24:38,059
out the Federal Reserve System it's

556
00:24:43,180 --> 00:24:40,880
there for you don't worry about it and I

557
00:24:46,029 --> 00:24:43,190
I think that's how they keep us all

558
00:24:48,580 --> 00:24:46,039
under their thumb yeah no I totally

559
00:24:51,279 --> 00:24:48,590
totally agree they make it obscure they

560
00:24:53,230 --> 00:24:51,289
make it a boring they make it they use

561
00:24:54,610 --> 00:24:53,240
their own language so that even if you

562
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:54,620
try to read about it and you're willing

563
00:24:57,460 --> 00:24:56,450
to put up with boredom you still don't

564
00:24:59,259 --> 00:24:57,470
know what they're talking about because

565
00:25:01,000 --> 00:24:59,269
you don't understand the words are using

566
00:25:02,889 --> 00:25:01,010
so that's what I tried to do in the web

567
00:25:05,889 --> 00:25:02,899
of debt was to translate a lot of that

568
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:05,899
stuff i'm actually a lawyer by training

569
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:08,570
so I you know research is my thing and

570
00:25:13,269 --> 00:25:10,610
but well I was a writer before as a

571
00:25:14,889 --> 00:25:13,279
lawyer when it I tried to be a writer

572
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:14,899
and figured out that as a young person

573
00:25:19,149 --> 00:25:16,610
there was no way I could support myself

574
00:25:21,340 --> 00:25:19,159
as the writers are in Alaska but any but

575
00:25:23,279 --> 00:25:21,350
I you know so with writing web of debt i

576
00:25:25,779 --> 00:25:23,289
really enjoyed using my writing skills

577
00:25:28,120 --> 00:25:25,789
putting the hook you know making it a

578
00:25:32,980 --> 00:25:28,130
story trying to make every chapter a

579
00:25:34,930 --> 00:25:32,990
page-turner and so that money truly is

580
00:25:37,299 --> 00:25:34,940
power I mean that really does make the

581
00:25:39,879 --> 00:25:37,309
world go round and if everybody

582
00:25:41,350 --> 00:25:39,889
understood it better a lot of the not

583
00:25:43,769 --> 00:25:41,360
only would the wealth be redistributed

584
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:43,779
as nowadays everybody's you know

585
00:25:48,549 --> 00:25:46,490
inequality blah blah blah but I think

586
00:25:50,860 --> 00:25:48,559
the thing is not so much that wealth

587
00:25:53,799 --> 00:25:50,870
gets redistributed but the knowledge of

588
00:25:57,490 --> 00:25:53,809
money gets redistributed and then if

589
00:26:00,970 --> 00:25:57,500
people understood what was going on I

590
00:26:03,940 --> 00:26:00,980
think that would stop a lot of the not

591
00:26:06,730 --> 00:26:03,950
so much inequality because but not to

592
00:26:08,649 --> 00:26:06,740
get into that topic but ah but it would

593
00:26:11,529 --> 00:26:08,659
it would just sort of even the playing

594
00:26:14,110 --> 00:26:11,539
field a lot all right as money is

595
00:26:16,810 --> 00:26:14,120
control and I think that how we've been

596
00:26:18,610 --> 00:26:16,820
captured is through this whole money

597
00:26:21,220 --> 00:26:18,620
system where they make us think we're in

598
00:26:22,930 --> 00:26:21,230
debt this one we need I mean we as a

599
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:22,940
country needn't be in debt we could

600
00:26:26,590 --> 00:26:25,010
issue our own money everybody thinks

601
00:26:28,419 --> 00:26:26,600
that would be inflationary but it

602
00:26:31,269 --> 00:26:28,429
wouldn't we're at the point right now

603
00:26:33,820 --> 00:26:31,279
where well even if you just look at the

604
00:26:36,909 --> 00:26:33,830
numbers after two thousand eight the

605
00:26:39,009 --> 00:26:36,919
shadow banking system which is a m3 I

606
00:26:41,470 --> 00:26:39,019
won't even try to explain that but the

607
00:26:43,120 --> 00:26:41,480
shadow banking system shrunk by four

608
00:26:46,269 --> 00:26:43,130
trillion dollars this is according to

609
00:26:49,090 --> 00:26:46,279
the Federal Reserve's own figures and so

610
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:49,100
so we you could add four trillion

611
00:26:51,850 --> 00:26:50,210
dollars to the system

612
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:51,860
you'd only be back to where we were in

613
00:26:59,920 --> 00:26:55,610
2008 plus there's the fact that when

614
00:27:02,110 --> 00:26:59,930
when you add money to the system it's I

615
00:27:04,390 --> 00:27:02,120
mean assuming how you add it but don't

616
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:04,400
use it for derivatives and speculative

617
00:27:09,700 --> 00:27:07,730
things or to bail out banks but if you

618
00:27:12,060 --> 00:27:09,710
use that money use a government print

619
00:27:14,890 --> 00:27:12,070
money and pay workers and materials as

620
00:27:18,220 --> 00:27:14,900
like Lincoln did and built the railroads

621
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:18,230
and all those things with them or like

622
00:27:22,150 --> 00:27:20,210
the American colonists did and totally

623
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:22,160
developed their colony of course there

624
00:27:28,660 --> 00:27:24,050
is no such thing as derivatives and

625
00:27:31,590 --> 00:27:28,670
speculative investments then so if you

626
00:27:33,850 --> 00:27:31,600
do that pay for real productive things

627
00:27:36,310 --> 00:27:33,860
then you're putting money in people's

628
00:27:38,490 --> 00:27:36,320
pockets absolutely we'll go out and

629
00:27:41,500 --> 00:27:38,500
spend it on the things they need and

630
00:27:45,070 --> 00:27:41,510
that means more things will be made like

631
00:27:47,140 --> 00:27:45,080
you when you if the shoe salesman sees

632
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:47,150
he's got a lot more customers he doesn't

633
00:27:52,120 --> 00:27:49,730
raised his prices he puts in a lot more

634
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:52,130
orders to the shoe factory and then the

635
00:27:55,990 --> 00:27:54,650
shoe factory tires more people and makes

636
00:27:58,840 --> 00:27:56,000
more shoes so that's the first thing

637
00:28:01,390 --> 00:27:58,850
they do is increase production and only

638
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:01,400
when they can't produce any more do

639
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:03,730
prices go up and right now because of

640
00:28:09,220 --> 00:28:05,930
outsourcing which is obviously bad for

641
00:28:12,550 --> 00:28:09,230
our labor but it's good in terms of how

642
00:28:14,140 --> 00:28:12,560
much availability or how much ability to

643
00:28:16,530 --> 00:28:14,150
produce is out there we've got

644
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:16,540
outsourcing and we've got mechanization

645
00:28:24,370 --> 00:28:21,610
so we're a long way from using up our

646
00:28:28,060 --> 00:28:24,380
productive capacity and only when you

647
00:28:31,210 --> 00:28:28,070
hit full employment and run out of

648
00:28:33,970 --> 00:28:31,220
materials do do prices go up well

649
00:28:36,250 --> 00:28:33,980
because certainly our infrastructure

650
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:36,260
could use some help I mean just looking

651
00:28:41,650 --> 00:28:39,290
at this this terrible train tragedy

652
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:41,660
which just occurred and when we look

653
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:45,050
overseas and we see that the trains that

654
00:28:53,620 --> 00:28:48,410
are available in europe and china and

655
00:28:58,060 --> 00:28:53,630
japan i had on my blog a suggestion

656
00:29:01,440 --> 00:28:58,070
about doing a solar kind of a partially

657
00:29:04,029 --> 00:29:01,450
solar train that would run very quickly

658
00:29:06,999 --> 00:29:04,039
half-buried you know sort of in a group

659
00:29:09,369 --> 00:29:07,009
in the ground and a few people came back

660
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:09,379
to me and said it was a great idea but

661
00:29:14,379 --> 00:29:11,330
of course you know I'm not an engineer

662
00:29:17,799 --> 00:29:14,389
and not none of that stuff is going to

663
00:29:19,889 --> 00:29:17,809
happen but it's the it's the ideas

664
00:29:24,159 --> 00:29:19,899
having the ideas put out there and

665
00:29:28,239 --> 00:29:24,169
looking to improve our country rather

666
00:29:30,729 --> 00:29:28,249
than financing both sides of of a Middle

667
00:29:33,369 --> 00:29:30,739
Eastern debacle now that we apparently

668
00:29:37,509 --> 00:29:33,379
are buying through some other channels

669
00:29:40,180 --> 00:29:37,519
the petroleum that ISIL is selling or

670
00:29:41,950 --> 00:29:40,190
better yet even having the federal

671
00:29:45,070 --> 00:29:41,960
government account for the seven

672
00:29:47,169 --> 00:29:45,080
trillion dollar subsidy that was what

673
00:29:49,839 --> 00:29:47,179
was that the underwriting everything and

674
00:29:52,690 --> 00:29:49,849
oddly enough that seven trillion dollars

675
00:29:54,969 --> 00:29:52,700
just sorta disappeared oh well I guess

676
00:29:57,159 --> 00:29:54,979
bill and I look at Catherine I stand

677
00:29:59,109 --> 00:29:57,169
fits in trouble was she yeah I was a

678
00:30:02,080 --> 00:29:59,119
time when you go to disappeared and she

679
00:30:03,489 --> 00:30:02,090
started reporting on it yeah well seven

680
00:30:06,669 --> 00:30:03,499
trillion dollars would get you killed

681
00:30:10,330 --> 00:30:06,679
I'm sure but I you know it's a shame no

682
00:30:13,180 --> 00:30:10,340
but but I I think there has to be like

683
00:30:15,219 --> 00:30:13,190
and what about an outside auditor would

684
00:30:17,889 --> 00:30:15,229
that ever work do you think or is that

685
00:30:22,269 --> 00:30:17,899
just really asking for trouble an

686
00:30:25,239 --> 00:30:22,279
auditor of the Fed yeah I'm well the fed

687
00:30:30,369 --> 00:30:25,249
claims that they are audited they audit

688
00:30:33,339 --> 00:30:30,379
themselves and then I audit myself too

689
00:30:38,830 --> 00:30:33,349
yeah me too unfortunately the IRS comes

690
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:38,840
along and reordered to me a smaller

691
00:30:44,229 --> 00:30:41,450
point but still part of the point

692
00:30:49,119 --> 00:30:44,239
because everybody you know is a part of

693
00:30:52,799 --> 00:30:49,129
the whole and um in the last 15 years or

694
00:30:56,769 --> 00:30:52,809
so we have seen banks come along and

695
00:31:00,669 --> 00:30:56,779
legitimately seize people's homes for

696
00:31:04,419 --> 00:31:00,679
loans they never took oh don't get her

697
00:31:06,310 --> 00:31:04,429
started on the mortgage situation no but

698
00:31:08,349 --> 00:31:06,320
this is that was a beauty the government

699
00:31:10,299 --> 00:31:08,359
who was it Frank and those guys that

700
00:31:12,789 --> 00:31:10,309
came up with that whole you know you

701
00:31:14,710 --> 00:31:12,799
have to lend people money oh they can't

702
00:31:16,869 --> 00:31:14,720
pay it back it's okay give it to him

703
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:16,879
anyway but jeez and they went bankrupt

704
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:17,810
no no

705
00:31:21,670 --> 00:31:19,850
no but what I'm talking about I'm that

706
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:21,680
may very well be I'm not arguing that

707
00:31:27,940 --> 00:31:24,370
point what I am saying is that

708
00:31:30,460 --> 00:31:27,950
individual banks could somebody let's

709
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:30,470
say the dime Savings Bank or the Chase

710
00:31:37,540 --> 00:31:33,410
Manhattan Bank can tell that's a long

711
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:37,550
time ago job showing my age but say the

712
00:31:43,180 --> 00:31:40,250
the Chase Manhattan Bank can come to

713
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:43,190
Kate Valentine's house and say that she

714
00:31:48,730 --> 00:31:45,890
has an outstanding loan which she never

715
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:48,740
took and then it's up to her to prove

716
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:51,290
that she didn't have the loan and as a

717
00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:54,170
result of this sort of of real crooked

718
00:31:59,980 --> 00:31:57,650
crooked crooked activity individuals who

719
00:32:03,610 --> 00:31:59,990
have their homes all paid off no debts

720
00:32:05,590 --> 00:32:03,620
or losing their homes yeah and then you

721
00:32:09,430 --> 00:32:05,600
have to pay an attorney to get it back

722
00:32:11,770 --> 00:32:09,440
as well yeah theoretically your innocent

723
00:32:14,110 --> 00:32:11,780
until proven guilty I saw another case

724
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:14,120
is similar I mean it's related but it's

725
00:32:18,310 --> 00:32:16,130
not about home but now they have this

726
00:32:20,530 --> 00:32:18,320
limit of you can only take out or

727
00:32:23,470 --> 00:32:20,540
deposit ten thousand dollars in cash

728
00:32:28,060 --> 00:32:23,480
yeah at one time yeah so a gas station

729
00:32:32,350 --> 00:32:28,070
owner was depositing like several $3,000

730
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:32,360
at a time and they took his entire bank

731
00:32:36,340 --> 00:32:33,770
account of a hundred thousand dollars

732
00:32:39,250 --> 00:32:36,350
because they said that was a serial

733
00:32:41,380 --> 00:32:39,260
deposit of cash which added up to more

734
00:32:43,930 --> 00:32:41,390
than ten thousand dollars in some period

735
00:32:46,390 --> 00:32:43,940
of time right right I mean obviously a

736
00:32:48,580 --> 00:32:46,400
gas station attendant takes cash and of

737
00:32:51,430 --> 00:32:48,590
course it or not dealing in drugs he's

738
00:32:54,430 --> 00:32:51,440
dealing in gas like our coal only takes

739
00:32:56,140 --> 00:32:54,440
cash but so so then the government was

740
00:32:59,380 --> 00:32:56,150
going to give him a settlement of they

741
00:33:01,630 --> 00:32:59,390
would give $50,000 of it back and he's

742
00:33:05,070 --> 00:33:01,640
fighting it which is good but yeah I

743
00:33:08,170 --> 00:33:05,080
mean why should you have to prove that

744
00:33:09,940 --> 00:33:08,180
that Ramona prove it you were not you

745
00:33:11,770 --> 00:33:09,950
were innocent years if they're supposed

746
00:33:13,750 --> 00:33:11,780
to prove that you're guilty and local

747
00:33:17,140 --> 00:33:13,760
and local police department seized

748
00:33:19,180 --> 00:33:17,150
assets of people that they stopped that

749
00:33:23,190 --> 00:33:19,190
they suspect of a crime but have not

750
00:33:26,650 --> 00:33:23,200
even been a convicted or even charged

751
00:33:29,860 --> 00:33:26,660
officially you know by-by the the court

752
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:29,870
with a crime and they come along and

753
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:31,850
take your car because they

754
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:35,330
have a they have a report that you know

755
00:33:39,310 --> 00:33:37,130
you were involved in a drug deal in

756
00:33:42,700 --> 00:33:39,320
Chicago so they take your car in

757
00:33:44,860 --> 00:33:42,710
Virginia and you know you were never you

758
00:33:48,190 --> 00:33:44,870
were never proven guilty of any any such

759
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:48,200
thing mmhmm yeah and it's a way it's a

760
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:49,850
way that they supplement their incomes

761
00:33:54,820 --> 00:33:52,370
because there isn't enough tax money out

762
00:33:56,799 --> 00:33:54,830
there we but you were definitely headed

763
00:33:59,110 --> 00:33:56,809
for a police state I mean I think all

764
00:34:02,470 --> 00:33:59,120
this repressive stuff that's going on is

765
00:34:05,260 --> 00:34:02,480
it's the last thrashings of the dinosaur

766
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:05,270
that they're you know desperately trying

767
00:34:12,399 --> 00:34:08,690
to protect their billions so what I'm

768
00:34:14,590 --> 00:34:12,409
the mobs which will be irate Lee coming

769
00:34:16,869 --> 00:34:14,600
coming after them it's the more and more

770
00:34:18,909 --> 00:34:16,879
I mean they can't suppress the knowledge

771
00:34:21,790 --> 00:34:18,919
that we're all getting from the internet

772
00:34:25,180 --> 00:34:21,800
and firm shows like yours that expose

773
00:34:27,340 --> 00:34:25,190
all these what's really going on it used

774
00:34:28,869 --> 00:34:27,350
to be they can control the mass media

775
00:34:31,330 --> 00:34:28,879
and that's how they control people's

776
00:34:35,169 --> 00:34:31,340
thinking but but the mass media are

777
00:34:37,930 --> 00:34:35,179
losing market share so what so my friend

778
00:34:40,330 --> 00:34:37,940
David B Edney and I'm sure he's uh he's

779
00:34:43,060 --> 00:34:40,340
got this quote from somebody else like

780
00:34:46,450 --> 00:34:43,070
we're six meals short of a revolution

781
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:46,460
you know it people just have to miss six

782
00:34:49,750 --> 00:34:47,690
meals and there's going to be a

783
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:49,760
revolution what should the average

784
00:34:56,710 --> 00:34:54,050
person do to preserve their life to be

785
00:35:03,690 --> 00:34:56,720
able to live a decently you know

786
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:03,700
according to to you Ellen Brown well I'm

787
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:07,010
can say what you should do and I mean

788
00:35:11,620 --> 00:35:09,050
I'm one of those do what I say not what

789
00:35:13,720 --> 00:35:11,630
I do should have a garden but do I have

790
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:13,730
a garden no I live in a condominium I

791
00:35:17,950 --> 00:35:15,170
mean there's no place to have a garden

792
00:35:19,720 --> 00:35:17,960
here so I mean you should don't you grow

793
00:35:22,330 --> 00:35:19,730
your own food if you're capable of it if

794
00:35:24,070 --> 00:35:22,340
you've got a place to do it you should

795
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:24,080
definitely keep some cash at home

796
00:35:28,150 --> 00:35:26,450
they're trying to make cash illegal

797
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:28,160
basically I mean there's this there's

798
00:35:33,700 --> 00:35:31,850
this cashless society movement where I I

799
00:35:35,349 --> 00:35:33,710
think one reason they're doing it is

800
00:35:38,140 --> 00:35:35,359
they want to be able to bail in our

801
00:35:40,750 --> 00:35:38,150
money if if the big banks go down and

802
00:35:43,510 --> 00:35:40,760
our money is just numbers in their in

803
00:35:44,980 --> 00:35:43,520
their account is just here with the new

804
00:35:49,500 --> 00:35:44,990
bail and system that they

805
00:35:52,330 --> 00:35:49,510
a the big banks are supposed to

806
00:35:54,910 --> 00:35:52,340
recapitalize themselves by conferred

807
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:54,920
literally by converting our deposits

808
00:35:58,900 --> 00:35:56,930
into their capital so they can actually

809
00:36:00,700 --> 00:35:58,910
they're actually allowed to confiscate

810
00:36:02,950 --> 00:36:00,710
our deposits and we can't even sue about

811
00:36:05,190 --> 00:36:02,960
it it's legal I mean that's the law they

812
00:36:08,590 --> 00:36:05,200
would join there in the darkness in

813
00:36:10,900 --> 00:36:08,600
Cyprus yeah of doing it yeah what they

814
00:36:12,970 --> 00:36:10,910
did in Cyprus is the law that was just

815
00:36:17,740 --> 00:36:12,980
like the trial run it's now the law as

816
00:36:22,510 --> 00:36:17,750
of last November at when they all met in

817
00:36:24,190 --> 00:36:22,520
Brisbane a g20 met in Brisbane and click

818
00:36:25,300 --> 00:36:24,200
their stamp of approval on it of course

819
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:25,310
they probably don't even know what

820
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:26,930
they're proving they Wiz in it's like

821
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:29,450
this TPP which we don't even get to know

822
00:36:34,390 --> 00:36:31,970
what's in it but they the way they've

823
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:34,400
managed to get it passed the Senate is

824
00:36:39,190 --> 00:36:36,650
they negotiate it's like okay you don't

825
00:36:41,230 --> 00:36:39,200
like that provision but or they want

826
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:41,240
this provision in it and then they make

827
00:36:45,910 --> 00:36:43,850
a deal but then they're leaving these

828
00:36:48,550 --> 00:36:45,920
outrageous things in it where we're

829
00:36:52,540 --> 00:36:48,560
totally going to be at the mercy of big

830
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:52,550
international well you know it what is

831
00:36:56,470 --> 00:36:54,130
that that they said you know will

832
00:37:01,560 --> 00:36:56,480
understand the law after we pass it and

833
00:37:04,690 --> 00:37:01,570
you're screwed I'll tell you later yeah

834
00:37:07,510 --> 00:37:04,700
my team debtors prison so you think

835
00:37:09,130 --> 00:37:07,520
basically you have to almost go back to

836
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:09,140
the days of the colonies you make your

837
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:11,570
own food hunt your own animals you know

838
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:14,210
get a gun at the front door and join

839
00:37:18,700 --> 00:37:15,970
with hey neighbors and make a militia

840
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:18,710
yeah if you can yeah that's right all

841
00:37:24,310 --> 00:37:22,010
the ammunition if where I live in Los

842
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:24,320
Angeles if there's a big holocaust I

843
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:25,970
mean I'm just going down with the ship

844
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:28,010
because I don't have a way to get out of

845
00:37:32,770 --> 00:37:30,410
the city or a place to escape dude I

846
00:37:34,930 --> 00:37:32,780
mean I just assented I'm exactly

847
00:37:36,730 --> 00:37:34,940
gambling I think I just don't value my

848
00:37:39,220 --> 00:37:36,740
life all that much I mean I it's so

849
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:39,230
interesting being on the team that's

850
00:37:44,050 --> 00:37:42,290
trying to to fight it off you know I

851
00:37:46,390 --> 00:37:44,060
don't really care if I mean I'm gambling

852
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:46,400
that will win I think we will win it's

853
00:37:52,870 --> 00:37:48,770
not easy to grow your own food l and I'm

854
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:52,880
I'm out trying to grow my food and you

855
00:37:58,150 --> 00:37:55,490
know I managed to get a few pairs every

856
00:37:58,760 --> 00:37:58,160
year an apple or two that doesn't get

857
00:38:01,160 --> 00:37:58,770
eaten by

858
00:38:03,950 --> 00:38:01,170
birds a few strawberries in here and

859
00:38:06,230 --> 00:38:03,960
seven and seven Tomatoes you know and

860
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:06,240
and and all of a sudden I wake up one

861
00:38:11,450 --> 00:38:08,010
morning and all my beans are eaten by

862
00:38:13,700 --> 00:38:11,460
some hungry groundhog are you going

863
00:38:15,500 --> 00:38:13,710
about it all wrong you make friends with

864
00:38:17,270 --> 00:38:15,510
people with excellent gardens they get

865
00:38:19,670 --> 00:38:17,280
bumper crops and you get theirs that's

866
00:38:21,380 --> 00:38:19,680
how you do I said no I think that goes

867
00:38:24,170 --> 00:38:21,390
back to banking you know like you invest

868
00:38:27,260 --> 00:38:24,180
in their in their garden and they pay

869
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:27,270
you back a certain person I am one hell

870
00:38:32,030 --> 00:38:29,370
of a her an herb gardener though I will

871
00:38:35,330 --> 00:38:32,040
tell you that but so Ellen so going back

872
00:38:37,670 --> 00:38:35,340
so you really feel that if the general

873
00:38:40,010 --> 00:38:37,680
population doesn't wake up and wake up

874
00:38:42,110 --> 00:38:40,020
soon we are going to be at the mercy of

875
00:38:45,010 --> 00:38:42,120
this controlling force regardless of

876
00:38:48,350 --> 00:38:45,020
whether it's human or something else

877
00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:48,360
yeah well I think we're already at their

878
00:38:51,950 --> 00:38:50,250
mercy i mean we've been controlled for a

879
00:38:54,140 --> 00:38:51,960
long time and we are waking up and

880
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:54,150
that's why they are becoming more

881
00:39:00,740 --> 00:38:57,450
repressive in their in their own manner

882
00:39:04,580 --> 00:39:00,750
of controlling us but because the light

883
00:39:07,010 --> 00:39:04,590
cannot be stopped i mean i think that

884
00:39:09,650 --> 00:39:07,020
maybe i've read it i don't know but it

885
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:09,660
actually I had an experience in India a

886
00:39:16,130 --> 00:39:13,170
two-day cosmic consciousness sort of

887
00:39:18,290 --> 00:39:16,140
experience I really oh wait don't was

888
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:18,300
about level yeah well tell us about that

889
00:39:25,610 --> 00:39:21,570
please well I used to live in Africa I

890
00:39:27,710 --> 00:39:25,620
was my ex-husband tourism in work for

891
00:39:30,470 --> 00:39:27,720
USAID so we lived in several different

892
00:39:32,780 --> 00:39:30,480
countries and when we lived in Africa I

893
00:39:36,050 --> 00:39:32,790
started going to this assure him of a it

894
00:39:38,450 --> 00:39:36,060
was a brahmakumaris which is raja yoga

895
00:39:40,430 --> 00:39:38,460
where you just look at a point and don't

896
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:40,440
think and that's the whole deal too so

897
00:39:44,900 --> 00:39:42,810
it's sort of like you create your own

898
00:39:47,810 --> 00:39:44,910
reality but you you've got a black out

899
00:39:49,580 --> 00:39:47,820
there your left brain is always you know

900
00:39:51,620 --> 00:39:49,590
continually talking to you so you want

901
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:51,630
to shut that thing down in fact I wonder

902
00:39:55,100 --> 00:39:53,010
about your left brain I think that might

903
00:39:56,720 --> 00:39:55,110
be them talking to it you know how you

904
00:39:58,100 --> 00:39:56,730
get like a song writing through your

905
00:39:59,810 --> 00:39:58,110
head or something and you can't get rid

906
00:40:02,480 --> 00:39:59,820
of it it's like they're creating static

907
00:40:05,450 --> 00:40:02,490
all the time so you can't really you

908
00:40:07,990 --> 00:40:05,460
can't hear the voice of the of the

909
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:08,000
higher wisdom or whatever your own inner

910
00:40:12,339 --> 00:40:11,010
higher self because it's always being

911
00:40:14,380 --> 00:40:12,349
drowned out by this

912
00:40:19,299 --> 00:40:14,390
chatter that's going on like a radio in

913
00:40:21,190 --> 00:40:19,309
your left brain i couldn't've anymore so

914
00:40:23,979 --> 00:40:21,200
so I so I went there for a while and

915
00:40:25,870 --> 00:40:23,989
they were going to India and then they

916
00:40:28,660 --> 00:40:25,880
allowed me to go along even though I

917
00:40:31,569 --> 00:40:28,670
didn't technically qualify and so it was

918
00:40:32,890 --> 00:40:31,579
a nine-day trip and we we just SAT and

919
00:40:34,900 --> 00:40:32,900
looked at a point they got us up at

920
00:40:36,489 --> 00:40:34,910
three in the morning I always fat looked

921
00:40:38,289 --> 00:40:36,499
at a point that's oh he did when your

922
00:40:40,690 --> 00:40:38,299
words you're supposed to try not to

923
00:40:45,370 --> 00:40:40,700
think just look at this point and after

924
00:40:49,089 --> 00:40:45,380
a week the founder now deceased talked

925
00:40:50,620 --> 00:40:49,099
through a medium a nun for hours and

926
00:40:52,479 --> 00:40:50,630
hours and I got really tired and I went

927
00:40:54,099 --> 00:40:52,489
back to my room after a while fell

928
00:40:55,989 --> 00:40:54,109
asleep and then when I woke up there was

929
00:40:59,200 --> 00:40:55,999
just light coming out of my chest I had

930
00:41:01,029 --> 00:40:59,210
fire out boy I ran back and then so for

931
00:41:03,609 --> 00:41:01,039
the next two days it was just it was

932
00:41:05,710 --> 00:41:03,619
sort of like Disneyland or like it was

933
00:41:07,989 --> 00:41:05,720
just like the essence of the thing not

934
00:41:10,630 --> 00:41:07,999
not like a drug trip now I mean not like

935
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:10,640
distorted but like more real than real

936
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:13,970
and just this sort of so so I just and

937
00:41:17,049 --> 00:41:15,650
everything was good you know you feel

938
00:41:19,539 --> 00:41:17,059
good and I mean I can't even remember

939
00:41:22,390 --> 00:41:19,549
the details that much but it was just

940
00:41:25,359 --> 00:41:22,400
like another plateau of existence so I

941
00:41:28,930 --> 00:41:25,369
knew that we were capable if you can

942
00:41:31,390 --> 00:41:28,940
spin your chakras up a notch yeah the

943
00:41:33,249 --> 00:41:31,400
next matchup is something more marvelous

944
00:41:37,799 --> 00:41:33,259
than where we are now so we're actually

945
00:41:41,859 --> 00:41:37,809
like butterflies I mean it's like

946
00:41:44,529 --> 00:41:41,869
caterpillars waiting to become to become

947
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:44,539
butterflies but soon to me that the

948
00:41:49,989 --> 00:41:47,210
message was my job was to figure out how

949
00:41:52,059 --> 00:41:49,999
to get the you know prepare the ground

950
00:41:54,249 --> 00:41:52,069
so that we're all ready to become

951
00:41:56,529 --> 00:41:54,259
butterflies and I can't do it alone it's

952
00:41:58,989 --> 00:41:56,539
got to be the whole I'd like we're all

953
00:42:01,749 --> 00:41:58,999
taking off together so where do you come

954
00:42:04,650 --> 00:42:01,759
down on the whole idea of of an

955
00:42:08,109 --> 00:42:04,660
enlightened somebody being like a an

956
00:42:12,099 --> 00:42:08,119
ascended master an enlightened soul I

957
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:12,109
mean apparently the nun who had the Guru

958
00:42:21,579 --> 00:42:15,650
speak through her somehow activated your

959
00:42:24,459 --> 00:42:21,589
chakras yes and I've never had that

960
00:42:25,599 --> 00:42:24,469
experience again except when I would go

961
00:42:30,700 --> 00:42:25,609
to

962
00:42:34,089 --> 00:42:30,710
for a while and there would be this

963
00:42:36,430 --> 00:42:34,099
10-minute reading of the guru named Baba

964
00:42:40,329 --> 00:42:36,440
I mean there's a lot about us but he was

965
00:42:42,039 --> 00:42:40,339
there baba and and during that 10

966
00:42:43,569 --> 00:42:42,049
minutes I would flip into this state and

967
00:42:46,450 --> 00:42:43,579
then it would go away so it seemed like

968
00:42:48,220 --> 00:42:46,460
it was a guru induced thing and you hear

969
00:42:50,019 --> 00:42:48,230
about lots of people who go to India and

970
00:42:54,489 --> 00:42:50,029
get touched you know in some way by the

971
00:42:58,470 --> 00:42:54,499
shutter spot Shakti pots good yes it so

972
00:43:01,809 --> 00:42:58,480
somebody so there's that you need the

973
00:43:04,359 --> 00:43:01,819
person who wakes you up or guide you

974
00:43:06,519 --> 00:43:04,369
through or gets the energy going maybe

975
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:06,529
activates the energy i'm not sure how it

976
00:43:15,430 --> 00:43:09,170
works i have a very short thing to say

977
00:43:18,099 --> 00:43:15,440
on that I jeevan mukthi yoga classes in

978
00:43:20,859 --> 00:43:18,109
the 1990s in the East Village of

979
00:43:22,180 --> 00:43:20,869
Manhattan and every once in a while

980
00:43:24,700 --> 00:43:22,190
every couple of months they would have a

981
00:43:26,890 --> 00:43:24,710
special session and I ended up going to

982
00:43:31,150 --> 00:43:26,900
this special session with the now

983
00:43:35,079 --> 00:43:31,160
deceased son bear Sun Bear was a Native

984
00:43:37,509 --> 00:43:35,089
American a holy man from the west coast

985
00:43:39,430 --> 00:43:37,519
somewhere that from the northwest and I

986
00:43:41,380 --> 00:43:39,440
should really know more about him

987
00:43:44,109 --> 00:43:41,390
considering the experience I had because

988
00:43:45,970 --> 00:43:44,119
I went to his lecture and he walked

989
00:43:47,559 --> 00:43:45,980
around he talked to people and he gave a

990
00:43:49,900 --> 00:43:47,569
lecture and he asked us all where we

991
00:43:52,180 --> 00:43:49,910
were from and he wanted in our

992
00:43:54,069 --> 00:43:52,190
backgrounds for some reason and I

993
00:43:56,079 --> 00:43:54,079
thought it was a very pleasant lecture

994
00:43:57,849 --> 00:43:56,089
but I wasn't really you know blown away

995
00:44:00,609 --> 00:43:57,859
in the sense that I didn't really feel

996
00:44:03,130 --> 00:44:00,619
anything had happened to me and he was

997
00:44:05,339 --> 00:44:03,140
supposedly giving everybody a healing

998
00:44:08,229 --> 00:44:05,349
well I got back to my apartment and

999
00:44:10,779 --> 00:44:08,239
about a half an hour after I got back to

1000
00:44:13,539 --> 00:44:10,789
my apartment I started running around

1001
00:44:15,970 --> 00:44:13,549
the living room I had I have a nice size

1002
00:44:18,460 --> 00:44:15,980
living room not huge but I rant began

1003
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:18,470
running around in circles which I did

1004
00:44:23,349 --> 00:44:21,650
for approximately two hours just ran

1005
00:44:25,569 --> 00:44:23,359
around in a circle and I couldn't stop I

1006
00:44:27,940 --> 00:44:25,579
tried to stop I'd stop for like a minute

1007
00:44:29,829 --> 00:44:27,950
or got a glass of water or something and

1008
00:44:32,410 --> 00:44:29,839
I went back to running around my living

1009
00:44:33,940 --> 00:44:32,420
room was the craziest thing ever and I

1010
00:44:35,289 --> 00:44:33,950
don't know maybe it was some form of

1011
00:44:37,329 --> 00:44:35,299
healing he was supposed to be there

1012
00:44:39,130 --> 00:44:37,339
doing a healing and maybe I became

1013
00:44:41,620 --> 00:44:39,140
healed from something but

1014
00:44:43,660 --> 00:44:41,630
I sure had no idea that this was going

1015
00:44:47,530 --> 00:44:43,670
to happen to me so I just throw that out

1016
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:47,540
there is a as a fun little tidbit wow

1017
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:51,050
wow well put it but I like that whole

1018
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:53,210
idea though I mean when you say bring

1019
00:44:58,540 --> 00:44:55,490
out the light I mean that really goes

1020
00:45:01,540 --> 00:44:58,550
back to biblical times like the darkness

1021
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:01,550
and the light that yin the yang and it

1022
00:45:07,210 --> 00:45:03,770
so if you're saying that perhaps aliens

1023
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:07,220
are behind all these large human

1024
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:09,170
families that more or less control of

1025
00:45:13,570 --> 00:45:11,450
banking interests I guess they're not

1026
00:45:15,910 --> 00:45:13,580
very nice beings it seems like they

1027
00:45:19,230 --> 00:45:15,920
would be the dark powers not all of them

1028
00:45:22,030 --> 00:45:19,240
I don't think well I mean anybody who's

1029
00:45:24,070 --> 00:45:22,040
sort of enslaving you know that one of

1030
00:45:27,340 --> 00:45:24,080
the conspiracy theories is this will

1031
00:45:29,170 --> 00:45:27,350
eventually become prisoner 'the and it

1032
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:29,180
seems like that's where we're headed but

1033
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:30,890
just really quickly i'm just going to

1034
00:45:35,290 --> 00:45:32,690
interrupt this quickly we are talking to

1035
00:45:38,170 --> 00:45:35,300
Ellen Hodgson Brown she is the author of

1036
00:45:40,780 --> 00:45:38,180
the web of debt it's an extraordinarily

1037
00:45:42,850 --> 00:45:40,790
important book one that not enough

1038
00:45:45,190 --> 00:45:42,860
attention has been paid to because i

1039
00:45:47,500 --> 00:45:45,200
think the powers that be have somewhat

1040
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:47,510
suppress the media to advertising your

1041
00:45:52,060 --> 00:45:49,490
book so hopefully people who are

1042
00:45:54,670 --> 00:45:52,070
listening get ahold of web of debt read

1043
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:54,680
it and act on it absolutely you know

1044
00:46:01,300 --> 00:45:57,050
maybe that will help you bring the light

1045
00:46:03,340 --> 00:46:01,310
but yeah so did I I have to get back to

1046
00:46:06,190 --> 00:46:03,350
this you think that possibly there are

1047
00:46:09,390 --> 00:46:06,200
some alien families behind human

1048
00:46:12,250 --> 00:46:09,400
families behind banking families or

1049
00:46:15,610 --> 00:46:12,260
possibility of I wouldn't obviously of

1050
00:46:18,940 --> 00:46:15,620
force you do I don't know but yeah well

1051
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:18,950
i think the matrix the movie doing i saw

1052
00:46:23,260 --> 00:46:21,170
how it was made error i read how is made

1053
00:46:25,660 --> 00:46:23,270
it was actually that the people who

1054
00:46:27,790 --> 00:46:25,670
wrote it two men i think were i think

1055
00:46:31,630 --> 00:46:27,800
they were from essed and they had had

1056
00:46:33,370 --> 00:46:31,640
this revelation themselves so you know

1057
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:33,380
they were sort of channeling this idea

1058
00:46:39,010 --> 00:46:35,210
but it that seems about right to me that

1059
00:46:41,050 --> 00:46:39,020
there's another dimension where we're

1060
00:46:43,870 --> 00:46:41,060
we're controlled from so it's not like

1061
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:43,880
alien families like a number of people

1062
00:46:48,550 --> 00:46:46,850
that physically landed and breed it and

1063
00:46:50,500 --> 00:46:48,560
stuff like that but or maybe I don't

1064
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:50,510
know who knows but but I would see it

1065
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:51,850
Morris

1066
00:46:59,250 --> 00:46:54,850
and entities who are not necessarily

1067
00:47:01,920 --> 00:46:59,260
embodied wow what who knows i don't know

1068
00:47:04,050 --> 00:47:01,930
but and i've also read though that the

1069
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:04,060
reason for things like chem trails and

1070
00:47:10,860 --> 00:47:05,890
heart been messing up the environment is

1071
00:47:13,950 --> 00:47:10,870
to block us from from escape or from it

1072
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:13,960
stood like imprisoning us within their

1073
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:17,410
meme are there they are able to control

1074
00:47:21,450 --> 00:47:19,810
the information we get we're not we you

1075
00:47:24,510 --> 00:47:21,460
know it's to keep the light out in other

1076
00:47:27,750 --> 00:47:24,520
words and so that we can't know what's

1077
00:47:29,190 --> 00:47:27,760
going on but the delight will will prove

1078
00:47:31,830 --> 00:47:29,200
it i mean a delight keep sleeping

1079
00:47:33,660 --> 00:47:31,840
through because one reason is the

1080
00:47:38,130 --> 00:47:33,670
internet and the where who brought the

1081
00:47:41,730 --> 00:47:38,140
internet it was good push that itself is

1082
00:47:44,580 --> 00:47:41,740
like our salvation connecting everybody

1083
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:44,590
making us all one but i think the FTC is

1084
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:46,570
trying to control that now yes they are

1085
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:49,210
trying to control it you know they're

1086
00:47:53,490 --> 00:47:50,890
starting to stick the grimy little paws

1087
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:53,500
into that too because you're right i

1088
00:47:58,440 --> 00:47:55,450
think that's going to be the fly in the

1089
00:48:00,330 --> 00:47:58,450
ointment I don't think I really think

1090
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:00,340
that is the thing that hit them from

1091
00:48:04,530 --> 00:48:02,050
left field they never saw that one

1092
00:48:06,500 --> 00:48:04,540
coming the internet and I doubt if they

1093
00:48:09,750 --> 00:48:06,510
can control it at this point and also

1094
00:48:12,780 --> 00:48:09,760
alternative power is another is another

1095
00:48:17,940 --> 00:48:12,790
thing that's going to loosen the grip of

1096
00:48:20,670 --> 00:48:17,950
the oligarchs I think because i think if

1097
00:48:23,580 --> 00:48:20,680
we are off the oil standard and whether

1098
00:48:25,170 --> 00:48:23,590
we go with wind or solar or zero point

1099
00:48:27,720 --> 00:48:25,180
energy or something else that comes

1100
00:48:30,150 --> 00:48:27,730
along i think if we can get off oil we

1101
00:48:31,710 --> 00:48:30,160
can get out of some of the problems i

1102
00:48:34,950 --> 00:48:31,720
don't know how you feel about that Ellen

1103
00:48:37,110 --> 00:48:34,960
I agree no I think oil is one of the

1104
00:48:39,240 --> 00:48:37,120
things one of the ways in which we have

1105
00:48:41,550 --> 00:48:39,250
been controlled because they can limit

1106
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:41,560
it or it is limited or they purport to I

1107
00:48:48,030 --> 00:48:43,810
mean it may not be there such a thing as

1108
00:48:49,830 --> 00:48:48,040
a brick AV AV attic oil that created I

1109
00:48:51,870 --> 00:48:49,840
mean it so we don't we don't even know

1110
00:48:53,910 --> 00:48:51,880
that it's really limited but we are told

1111
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:53,920
that it's limited and therefore they can

1112
00:48:59,370 --> 00:48:56,530
raise the prices on it I think they play

1113
00:49:01,800 --> 00:48:59,380
that oil I mean this is just my opinion

1114
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:01,810
but I think that of course oil is being

1115
00:49:08,790 --> 00:49:05,410
produced now in in the earth but in

1116
00:49:11,790 --> 00:49:08,800
such small quantities that I I don't

1117
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:11,800
believe that it's a limited limitless

1118
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:14,490
resource I don't believe in the larger a

1119
00:49:19,500 --> 00:49:17,770
picture of abiotic oil only in the

1120
00:49:21,990 --> 00:49:19,510
smaller picture like sure plants are

1121
00:49:24,150 --> 00:49:22,000
dying and they're getting squashed under

1122
00:49:26,700 --> 00:49:24,160
earth and the earth is compounding them

1123
00:49:30,210 --> 00:49:26,710
and somewhere oil is actually being

1124
00:49:34,650 --> 00:49:30,220
produced but the rate of production does

1125
00:49:37,290 --> 00:49:34,660
not equal the rate of extraction as far

1126
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:37,300
as as far as I could see and I really

1127
00:49:42,390 --> 00:49:38,530
think that we got to look at something

1128
00:49:44,790 --> 00:49:42,400
else yeah well yeah well there's so many

1129
00:49:46,740 --> 00:49:44,800
wedding so it's something else is you

1130
00:49:49,110 --> 00:49:46,750
don't even really I need oil that's also

1131
00:49:50,970 --> 00:49:49,120
a fiction I mean I'll is necessary to

1132
00:49:52,980 --> 00:49:50,980
create plastic and plastic may or may

1133
00:49:55,410 --> 00:49:52,990
not be necessary but other than that who

1134
00:49:57,750 --> 00:49:55,420
needs it you know and I think that would

1135
00:49:59,400 --> 00:49:57,760
really put a damper I think that's as

1136
00:50:02,460 --> 00:49:59,410
you said and this goes back to the

1137
00:50:05,720 --> 00:50:02,470
roster aisles you know money is lent out

1138
00:50:08,250 --> 00:50:05,730
to both sides of a war and right now

1139
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:08,260
just to kill the Middle East problem you

1140
00:50:11,730 --> 00:50:09,850
could just do away with oil the money

1141
00:50:14,310 --> 00:50:11,740
would dry up and they go back out to

1142
00:50:16,110 --> 00:50:14,320
whatever they had been before they are

1143
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:16,120
working on billions and trillions of

1144
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:20,170
dollars that are all oil dollars and you

1145
00:50:24,630 --> 00:50:21,970
know if once those go away they really

1146
00:50:30,620 --> 00:50:24,640
don't have an awful lot left nothing

1147
00:50:32,730 --> 00:50:30,630
actually you know it is such an American

1148
00:50:34,770 --> 00:50:32,740
misconception I always think of the

1149
00:50:36,420 --> 00:50:34,780
cities there is little Santa's I mean

1150
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:36,430
they're enormous like Turan is an

1151
00:50:42,270 --> 00:50:39,010
enormous City it's a beautiful city it's

1152
00:50:44,730 --> 00:50:42,280
a shiny of the idiots have it but um you

1153
00:50:46,500 --> 00:50:44,740
know that's just my opinion I'm sorry I

1154
00:50:47,940 --> 00:50:46,510
don't need to say that I suppose I'm in

1155
00:50:49,290 --> 00:50:47,950
trouble but then again I'm a woman

1156
00:50:52,890 --> 00:50:49,300
without a burger so I'm in trouble

1157
00:50:57,230 --> 00:50:52,900
anyway so you're away a woman without a

1158
00:51:00,420 --> 00:50:57,240
burka and be a great title for a book I

1159
00:51:05,220 --> 00:51:00,430
don't understand with Bertha is that is

1160
00:51:09,180 --> 00:51:05,230
that better burka yeah yeah I had a

1161
00:51:11,670 --> 00:51:09,190
friend who went around in Iran addressed

1162
00:51:15,060 --> 00:51:11,680
as a boy when she was a teenager she was

1163
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:15,070
her father was some kind of attache and

1164
00:51:19,300 --> 00:51:17,530
she you know she was more or less kept

1165
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:19,310
inside even though that was more

1166
00:51:24,460 --> 00:51:22,010
old times so she went out dressed as a

1167
00:51:30,130 --> 00:51:24,470
boy as a fourteen-year-old just so she

1168
00:51:32,230 --> 00:51:30,140
could walk around yeah but so so you

1169
00:51:35,020 --> 00:51:32,240
speculate that there really is sort of a

1170
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:35,030
war going on now between people that are

1171
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:36,650
things or whatever they'll want to

1172
00:51:40,990 --> 00:51:39,650
control the whole planet and the rest of

1173
00:51:43,810 --> 00:51:41,000
the planet that doesn't want to be

1174
00:51:48,490 --> 00:51:43,820
controlled does that sort of sum it up a

1175
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:48,500
little or yeah yeah I think the numbers

1176
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:51,410
are on our side and yeah I did you well

1177
00:51:54,670 --> 00:51:53,090
the way we definitely got the numbers

1178
00:51:56,650 --> 00:51:54,680
and I mean if it's the ninety-nine

1179
00:51:59,890 --> 00:51:56,660
percent versus the one percent we've got

1180
00:52:03,010 --> 00:51:59,900
the numbers in terms of votes so what

1181
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:03,020
but what we don't have is a consolidated

1182
00:52:09,820 --> 00:52:06,410
yes the understanding wait once

1183
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:09,830
everybody knows how we're going to move

1184
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:11,810
forward you know if we had a united

1185
00:52:18,460 --> 00:52:15,170
front if we had a plan that everybody

1186
00:52:20,350 --> 00:52:18,470
agreed on that I'm for me I'm arguing

1187
00:52:22,630 --> 00:52:20,360
with the other money reformers at this

1188
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:22,640
stage and I saying no it's one says no

1189
00:52:26,110 --> 00:52:24,290
we've got inflation no this is no a

1190
00:52:27,370 --> 00:52:26,120
difficulty for a sinner you know we

1191
00:52:31,420 --> 00:52:27,380
should be printing the money we should

1192
00:52:33,430 --> 00:52:31,430
be controlling the debt pet sitter so we

1193
00:52:36,100 --> 00:52:33,440
don't even agree on how we can move

1194
00:52:38,770 --> 00:52:36,110
forward but if we did I think we would

1195
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:38,780
we would necessarily win because we've

1196
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:41,090
got all the book but it has to be it has

1197
00:52:45,850 --> 00:52:43,010
to be public because there's also a

1198
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:45,860
conspiracy theory that said that Lincoln

1199
00:52:50,230 --> 00:52:48,530
was assassinated too I mean obviously

1200
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:50,240
John Wilkes Booth had a lot of other

1201
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:53,570
issues but greenback issuing had a lot

1202
00:52:59,830 --> 00:52:56,810
to do with it and there was also tales

1203
00:53:04,300 --> 00:52:59,840
that Kennedy was actually creating a

1204
00:53:05,890 --> 00:53:04,310
bill creating redback dollars and when

1205
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:05,900
he was assassinated the first thing

1206
00:53:10,810 --> 00:53:08,210
Johnson did was run into the office and

1207
00:53:13,330 --> 00:53:10,820
veto that bill so whether or not that's

1208
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:13,340
true or an urban myth I don't know but

1209
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:16,850
it seems like unless you have somebody

1210
00:53:22,170 --> 00:53:19,130
willing to do something like that that

1211
00:53:24,430 --> 00:53:22,180
has a lot of people and a lot of

1212
00:53:28,930 --> 00:53:24,440
protection around them they're not going

1213
00:53:31,060 --> 00:53:28,940
to make much headway yeah agreed yeah

1214
00:53:32,410 --> 00:53:31,070
that's a sad but true and and

1215
00:53:34,660 --> 00:53:32,420
governments

1216
00:53:39,460 --> 00:53:34,670
whether you come down on the right or

1217
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:39,470
the left like live by gurbles theory of

1218
00:53:43,900 --> 00:53:41,930
telling lies enough times that you

1219
00:53:46,420 --> 00:53:43,910
believe them and I don't think that's

1220
00:53:49,780 --> 00:53:46,430
limited to any particular party no

1221
00:53:51,610 --> 00:53:49,790
that's a politician specialty but you

1222
00:53:53,650 --> 00:53:51,620
know they were saying how many things

1223
00:53:55,750 --> 00:53:53,660
came out of World War two and that's one

1224
00:53:58,030 --> 00:53:55,760
of them is propaganda and media control

1225
00:54:00,190 --> 00:53:58,040
they certainly learned that well very

1226
00:54:03,250 --> 00:54:00,200
well actually more so than nuclear power

1227
00:54:05,470 --> 00:54:03,260
that propaganda is stronger stronger

1228
00:54:07,510 --> 00:54:05,480
weapon against the general population I

1229
00:54:09,370 --> 00:54:07,520
think it was gurbles that said that yeah

1230
00:54:10,930 --> 00:54:09,380
well one of them who cares you know one

1231
00:54:13,300 --> 00:54:10,940
of these old guys they're all dead so

1232
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:13,310
who cares what we have left is a

1233
00:54:20,380 --> 00:54:17,090
propaganda machine yeah well and the

1234
00:54:23,020 --> 00:54:20,390
two-party system means that we you can't

1235
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:23,030
get any opposing views in there the two

1236
00:54:27,970 --> 00:54:25,850
parties are they used to be the party of

1237
00:54:29,230 --> 00:54:27,980
Rockefeller and the party of Morgan I

1238
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:29,240
mean there were two big bankers

1239
00:54:35,110 --> 00:54:32,330
competing with each other so if you well

1240
00:54:37,240 --> 00:54:35,120
I actually ran for state treasurer in

1241
00:54:39,790 --> 00:54:37,250
California so I'm good see how hopeless

1242
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:39,800
it was if you can't don't have the money

1243
00:54:44,740 --> 00:54:42,050
to get onto TV because how are you

1244
00:54:47,230 --> 00:54:44,750
possibly going to reach millions of

1245
00:54:49,660 --> 00:54:47,240
people unless you know you can you could

1246
00:54:52,030 --> 00:54:49,670
win a local election like that we do

1247
00:54:54,610 --> 00:54:52,040
have grout Iran as a green so we do have

1248
00:54:58,350 --> 00:54:54,620
good good good i'm a green i'm a radical

1249
00:55:01,480 --> 00:54:58,360
three you go girls you go you go girl it

1250
00:55:04,830 --> 00:55:01,490
so we have like it we have a green party

1251
00:55:08,230 --> 00:55:04,840
mayor in rich richmond richmond

1252
00:55:10,540 --> 00:55:08,240
california which is a hundred thousand

1253
00:55:12,730 --> 00:55:10,550
population hundred thousands so that's a

1254
00:55:15,550 --> 00:55:12,740
place where you actually can have make a

1255
00:55:17,980 --> 00:55:15,560
difference by getting on local TV doing

1256
00:55:21,100 --> 00:55:17,990
local speeches doing bumper stickers

1257
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:21,110
putting signs on your lawn and that can

1258
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:23,570
influence the vote but in a whole state

1259
00:55:27,460 --> 00:55:25,610
the size of California or definitely in

1260
00:55:29,710 --> 00:55:27,470
the inner country the size of the u.s.

1261
00:55:31,660 --> 00:55:29,720
you absolutely have to get on to

1262
00:55:34,420 --> 00:55:31,670
national TV which means you have to have

1263
00:55:36,670 --> 00:55:34,430
the very big basically the big banks

1264
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:36,680
behind you which means you have to cater

1265
00:55:40,720 --> 00:55:38,930
to the big banks so there's we should

1266
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:40,730
have at least we should have

1267
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:42,530
proportional representation like they

1268
00:55:46,390 --> 00:55:45,290
have in europe where if some party its

1269
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:46,400
twenty percent of the vote

1270
00:55:51,460 --> 00:55:49,010
then they get running out of 5 yep

1271
00:55:54,430 --> 00:55:51,470
resented oh yeah that would be good that

1272
00:55:59,470 --> 00:55:54,440
would be good well what can we can we

1273
00:56:04,180 --> 00:55:59,480
say in terms of this think globally act

1274
00:56:08,049 --> 00:56:04,190
locally which is the green slogan yeah

1275
00:56:10,839 --> 00:56:08,059
well I think did our only hope maybe two

1276
00:56:15,099 --> 00:56:10,849
to act locally and like get your

1277
00:56:18,010 --> 00:56:15,109
community together and provide in your

1278
00:56:20,859 --> 00:56:18,020
community for farming or with you no

1279
00:56:22,240 --> 00:56:20,869
access to food and and you could set up

1280
00:56:24,339 --> 00:56:22,250
here you can set up your own money

1281
00:56:26,500 --> 00:56:24,349
system and I'm head of the public

1282
00:56:28,210 --> 00:56:26,510
banking Institute so our thing is that

1283
00:56:30,519 --> 00:56:28,220
every state should have its own Bank

1284
00:56:33,220 --> 00:56:30,529
like the Bank of North Dakota but also

1285
00:56:35,769 --> 00:56:33,230
you could have city owned banks I live

1286
00:56:38,109 --> 00:56:35,779
in Los Angeles which is 14 times the

1287
00:56:40,269 --> 00:56:38,119
size of North Dakota population wise so

1288
00:56:43,029 --> 00:56:40,279
we could definitely have several city

1289
00:56:44,559 --> 00:56:43,039
owned banks here which could then fund

1290
00:56:47,589 --> 00:56:44,569
or you know if you're just a large

1291
00:56:50,380 --> 00:56:47,599
community you could have your own bank

1292
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:50,390
funding your own community things so

1293
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:52,130
basically it would be like a cooperative

1294
00:56:56,710 --> 00:56:53,690
where the profits instead of being

1295
00:56:59,769 --> 00:56:56,720
sucked out all the time would be would

1296
00:57:02,019 --> 00:56:59,779
return to the community so you could do

1297
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:02,029
long-range things where you could do

1298
00:57:05,319 --> 00:57:04,010
infrastructure if you're big enough for

1299
00:57:07,329 --> 00:57:05,329
infrastructure I mean that's one reason

1300
00:57:08,950 --> 00:57:07,339
why we don't do infrastructure is you

1301
00:57:11,349 --> 00:57:08,960
can't care we're not putting money into

1302
00:57:15,130 --> 00:57:11,359
it you can't get this Congress to think

1303
00:57:17,260 --> 00:57:15,140
beyond short term whereas in China they

1304
00:57:19,569 --> 00:57:17,270
can do like their ten-year plans they

1305
00:57:21,250 --> 00:57:19,579
can look way for a head and they just

1306
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:21,260
print the money that's where they get

1307
00:57:26,079 --> 00:57:22,970
the money and it works very well for

1308
00:57:29,319 --> 00:57:26,089
them to questions about money one

1309
00:57:31,990 --> 00:57:29,329
question of a has have you ever been to

1310
00:57:35,170 --> 00:57:32,000
heard of or know of da manure in

1311
00:57:38,769 --> 00:57:35,180
northern Italy in the foothills of the

1312
00:57:43,870 --> 00:57:38,779
Alps where it is a commune a spiritual

1313
00:57:45,970 --> 00:57:43,880
artistic civic commune and they have

1314
00:57:50,710 --> 00:57:45,980
their own money that dominora in

1315
00:57:52,870 --> 00:57:50,720
currency there are you aware of that no

1316
00:57:57,309 --> 00:57:52,880
not aware but I know that my daughter

1317
00:57:59,289 --> 00:57:57,319
lives in Europe and that's what she her

1318
00:58:00,069 --> 00:57:59,299
thing is biomimicry where you would

1319
00:58:03,069 --> 00:58:00,079
imitate

1320
00:58:04,479 --> 00:58:03,079
nature but she lectures to ecovillages

1321
00:58:08,170 --> 00:58:04,489
about how they can set up their own

1322
00:58:10,390 --> 00:58:08,180
money systems well da manure has to end

1323
00:58:12,940 --> 00:58:10,400
and it fairly successfully and they've

1324
00:58:16,779 --> 00:58:12,950
pretty much you know they fight they

1325
00:58:20,620 --> 00:58:16,789
fight the church and they fight the the

1326
00:58:23,259 --> 00:58:20,630
country a lot of Italy to keep their to

1327
00:58:27,039 --> 00:58:23,269
keep their own autonomy and they have

1328
00:58:29,170 --> 00:58:27,049
run for local council seats and one at

1329
00:58:31,779 --> 00:58:29,180
first the people the in surrounding

1330
00:58:33,940 --> 00:58:31,789
communities were against them and they

1331
00:58:35,829 --> 00:58:33,950
proved to the local people that they had

1332
00:58:37,630 --> 00:58:35,839
the people's best interest in mind and

1333
00:58:40,420 --> 00:58:37,640
it's really it's really quite a

1334
00:58:42,309 --> 00:58:40,430
beautiful place to visit and I recommend

1335
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:42,319
it to your daughter into yourself my

1336
00:58:51,339 --> 00:58:46,690
second question ready brother da a.m

1337
00:58:53,940 --> 00:58:51,349
anhu our da manure now there's a dominar

1338
00:58:57,849 --> 00:58:53,950
in Egypt it's not in Egypt this one is

1339
00:58:59,709 --> 00:58:57,859
in in the foothills and val KO sehla or

1340
00:59:05,549 --> 00:58:59,719
something like that in northern in

1341
00:59:09,579 --> 00:59:05,559
northern italy near the town of tori no

1342
00:59:11,559 --> 00:59:09,589
it's it's about 50 60 miles into the

1343
00:59:14,620 --> 00:59:11,569
hills from tory know which is a lovely

1344
00:59:17,459 --> 00:59:14,630
town as well the second question that I

1345
00:59:19,420 --> 00:59:17,469
had for you had to do with bitcoin is

1346
00:59:23,319 --> 00:59:19,430
anything we going to see anything happen

1347
00:59:25,329 --> 00:59:23,329
with that do you think well bitcoins are

1348
00:59:27,459 --> 00:59:25,339
really interesting development I mean I

1349
00:59:29,380 --> 00:59:27,469
don't when people ask me about it I

1350
00:59:31,439 --> 00:59:29,390
don't necessarily recommend that people

1351
00:59:34,299 --> 00:59:31,449
put their money into it because it's so

1352
00:59:35,829 --> 00:59:34,309
volatile it so you could lose your money

1353
00:59:37,359 --> 00:59:35,839
as well as make your money you know had

1354
00:59:39,969 --> 00:59:37,369
you gotten in right at the beginning it

1355
00:59:42,789 --> 00:59:39,979
would obviously been really good but

1356
00:59:45,849 --> 00:59:42,799
it's a very interesting model for how

1357
00:59:48,969 --> 00:59:45,859
you could set up a currency system that

1358
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:48,979
could not be confiscated by by the big

1359
00:59:53,049 --> 00:59:51,170
bank you know within a bail-in in other

1360
00:59:55,089 --> 00:59:53,059
words it's an independent currency

1361
00:59:59,049 --> 00:59:55,099
system which is still a reliable and

1362
01:00:01,809 --> 00:59:59,059
it's because it's digital it's not you

1363
01:00:03,549 --> 01:00:01,819
don't have like one paper community

1364
01:00:06,729 --> 01:00:03,559
currency competing with another paper

1365
01:00:10,150 --> 01:00:06,739
community currency I saw that Vera

1366
01:00:12,789 --> 01:00:10,160
Farkas the the finance minister for

1367
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:12,799
Greece had recommended one possibility

1368
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:13,970
for getting out

1369
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:15,410
are helping them get out of their

1370
01:00:22,270 --> 01:00:18,730
troubles would be to have a Bitcoin like

1371
01:00:24,430 --> 01:00:22,280
algorithm used to create a local

1372
01:00:28,660 --> 01:00:24,440
currency that would be you know a local

1373
01:00:31,660 --> 01:00:28,670
Greek currency issued by the government

1374
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:31,670
or by the government's state-owned banks

1375
01:00:39,430 --> 01:00:36,890
to that would be an advance against

1376
01:00:41,140 --> 01:00:39,440
future taxes so it would be acceptable

1377
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:41,150
in the payment of taxes and that would

1378
01:00:46,780 --> 01:00:44,930
give it its viability but but in order

1379
01:00:51,370 --> 01:00:46,790
to make the whole thing secure you would

1380
01:00:54,339 --> 01:00:51,380
follow the Bitcoin model all right yeah

1381
01:00:57,040 --> 01:00:54,349
that's an interesting idea I think that

1382
01:01:01,330 --> 01:00:57,050
we're coming down to the end of our road

1383
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:01,340
here of visa V our time but we've had a

1384
01:01:05,260 --> 01:01:03,650
wonderful time talking to you and we

1385
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:05,270
hope that you'll come back sometime

1386
01:01:11,710 --> 01:01:09,650
Ellen Hodge Hodgson Brown and would you

1387
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:11,720
like to say other names of some of your

1388
01:01:15,970 --> 01:01:13,130
other books because I know that you've

1389
01:01:17,859 --> 01:01:15,980
written on health issues natural healthy

1390
01:01:19,780 --> 01:01:17,869
preservation and that looked very

1391
01:01:24,910 --> 01:01:19,790
interesting and I'm going to personally

1392
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:24,920
look into that more deeply okay thank

1393
01:01:29,230 --> 01:01:26,330
you and it's been great talking to you

1394
01:01:31,570 --> 01:01:29,240
too I've written 12 books actually my

1395
01:01:33,910 --> 01:01:31,580
12th is called the public bank solution

1396
01:01:36,310 --> 01:01:33,920
so that was a sequel to web of debt on

1397
01:01:38,859 --> 01:01:36,320
how we could set up our own state-owned

1398
01:01:42,099 --> 01:01:38,869
banks City on banks etc and look it

1399
01:01:44,290 --> 01:01:42,109
there I looked globally and historically

1400
01:01:47,890 --> 01:01:44,300
at other public banking models of which

1401
01:01:49,900 --> 01:01:47,900
there are many and then my first ten

1402
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:49,910
books are on health alternative health

1403
01:01:56,079 --> 01:01:54,050
care we I had one that I co-authored

1404
01:01:58,210 --> 01:01:56,089
with dr. Lynn Walker that was a

1405
01:02:02,260 --> 01:01:58,220
best-seller called nature's pharmacy

1406
01:02:04,300 --> 01:02:02,270
uh-huh I did I did one called forbidden

1407
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:04,310
medicine that was it was actually a

1408
01:02:08,650 --> 01:02:05,930
lawsuit I worked on but it was an

1409
01:02:10,540 --> 01:02:08,660
alternative cancer healer who wound up

1410
01:02:12,609 --> 01:02:10,550
spending four years in jail for the

1411
01:02:15,010 --> 01:02:12,619
alleged fraud of saying he had a high

1412
01:02:18,310 --> 01:02:15,020
rate of success with cancer which he

1413
01:02:20,589 --> 01:02:18,320
actually did so quite tragic story

1414
01:02:24,820 --> 01:02:20,599
really bad but I right there I fishing

1415
01:02:27,579 --> 01:02:24,830
skiing in love isn't he no that was

1416
01:02:29,289 --> 01:02:27,589
Jimmy Keller but that the

1417
01:02:31,569 --> 01:02:29,299
terney Rick Jaffe who is the attorney

1418
01:02:35,079 --> 01:02:31,579
for Pierzynski also was an attorney on

1419
01:02:37,059 --> 01:02:35,089
Jimmy Keller's case for part of it wow

1420
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:37,069
you're fascinating person it's been a

1421
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:39,410
fascinating conversation and an

1422
01:02:44,469 --> 01:02:42,170
important one I mean you know we can

1423
01:02:47,259 --> 01:02:44,479
speculate about the paranormal but as I

1424
01:02:49,569 --> 01:02:47,269
said before this shifts your paradigms

1425
01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:49,579
more than anything you know those little

1426
01:02:54,670 --> 01:02:52,130
little pieces of paper in your wallet

1427
01:02:57,640 --> 01:02:54,680
aren't worth diddly unless you get your

1428
01:02:59,140 --> 01:02:57,650
act together and start to act and I

1429
01:03:01,269 --> 01:02:59,150
guess this would be the time to do it

1430
01:03:03,910 --> 01:03:01,279
because it's getting real close yes I

1431
01:03:05,890 --> 01:03:03,920
agree and I'd vote for you if you ran

1432
01:03:08,019 --> 01:03:05,900
somewhere where I could vote for you I'm

1433
01:03:11,489 --> 01:03:08,029
a green and I would definitely vote for

1434
01:03:16,029 --> 01:03:11,499
you well I'm not agreeing I vote fer too

1435
01:03:17,859 --> 01:03:16,039
well maybe I will Alan thank you so much

1436
01:03:20,289 --> 01:03:17,869
it's been a real pleasure really thank

1437
01:03:23,109 --> 01:03:20,299
you thank you best of luck in your

1438
01:03:27,910 --> 01:03:23,119
endeavors and your brave woman yes fine

1439
01:03:30,309 --> 01:03:27,920
I think here we are at shattered reality

1440
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:30,319
yeah well my reality was shattered how

1441
01:03:35,529 --> 01:03:32,690
about yours I thought she was wonderful

1442
01:03:37,539 --> 01:03:35,539
Kate she's a paradigm shifter your he

1443
01:03:40,180 --> 01:03:37,549
was wonderful she was a great guest

1444
01:03:43,269 --> 01:03:40,190
fascinating person too and yes

1445
01:03:48,459 --> 01:03:43,279
absolutely very wide renaissance woman

1446
01:03:53,170 --> 01:03:48,469
of interests and so forth um please like

1447
01:03:57,910 --> 01:03:53,180
us on Facebook Like us on our blog spots

1448
01:04:00,999 --> 01:03:57,920
and like us on iTunes we are looking for

1449
01:04:04,329 --> 01:04:01,009
your comments and we would be happy to

1450
01:04:08,979 --> 01:04:04,339
look at your guest suggestions as well

1451
01:04:13,329 --> 01:04:08,989
and as a thought and this is just a very

1452
01:04:16,359 --> 01:04:13,339
wild supposition I wanted to end with a

1453
01:04:19,719 --> 01:04:16,369
couple of thoughts about the crash of

1454
01:04:22,690 --> 01:04:19,729
the amtrak train the very unfortunate

1455
01:04:25,690 --> 01:04:22,700
crash of the amtrak train which I I did

1456
01:04:27,430 --> 01:04:25,700
start to mention with Ellen there and at

1457
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:27,440
how it showed that we need to keep up

1458
01:04:31,809 --> 01:04:29,930
our infrastructure because you get on a

1459
01:04:33,670 --> 01:04:31,819
train and you expect to get where you're

1460
01:04:37,410 --> 01:04:33,680
going you know you don't expect one of

1461
01:04:41,890 --> 01:04:37,420
these horrible things that to occur and

1462
01:04:46,750 --> 01:04:41,900
it reminds me of something to do

1463
01:04:50,380 --> 01:04:46,760
with the 1980s late 1980s and 1990s when

1464
01:04:53,140 --> 01:04:50,390
people on the amtrak trains that went

1465
01:04:57,390 --> 01:04:53,150
from philadelphia to wilmington and

1466
01:05:00,190 --> 01:04:57,400
onward towards baltimore and washington

1467
01:05:02,890 --> 01:05:00,200
there were a lot of people who were on

1468
01:05:05,769 --> 01:05:02,900
that train and they would report hearing

1469
01:05:07,690 --> 01:05:05,779
voices in their heads during the time

1470
01:05:10,539 --> 01:05:07,700
really that they were on the train and

1471
01:05:13,269 --> 01:05:10,549
these were people who did not have a

1472
01:05:15,789 --> 01:05:13,279
history of psych psychiatric conditions

1473
01:05:17,049 --> 01:05:15,799
they lived ordinary lives and when they

1474
01:05:20,769 --> 01:05:17,059
weren't on the train they were not

1475
01:05:22,750 --> 01:05:20,779
hearing the voices okay and it was

1476
01:05:25,930 --> 01:05:22,760
reported in the New York Times at one

1477
01:05:28,029 --> 01:05:25,940
point like an article about people

1478
01:05:30,220 --> 01:05:28,039
hearing voices and how it could you

1479
01:05:32,559 --> 01:05:30,230
possibly project a voice inside

1480
01:05:35,710 --> 01:05:32,569
someone's head and as it turns out it

1481
01:05:38,470 --> 01:05:35,720
seems you can do so no they just yeah

1482
01:05:40,750 --> 01:05:38,480
and you know it harks back to days of

1483
01:05:43,599 --> 01:05:40,760
MKULTRA and so forth and in fact a

1484
01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:43,609
friend of mine who lives in Wilmington

1485
01:05:48,279 --> 01:05:45,890
Delaware had a son that was traveling

1486
01:05:50,980 --> 01:05:48,289
along that route going up to Philly and

1487
01:05:54,370 --> 01:05:50,990
back to wilmington and he had some very

1488
01:05:56,079 --> 01:05:54,380
strange experiences of that sort and you

1489
01:05:58,750 --> 01:05:56,089
know he was in his 20s he wasn't a

1490
01:06:01,870 --> 01:05:58,760
psychiatric patient and so you know I

1491
01:06:05,890 --> 01:06:01,880
had some actual confirmation on that

1492
01:06:10,089 --> 01:06:05,900
story so um I wonder if something like

1493
01:06:11,859 --> 01:06:10,099
that could have happened to the the head

1494
01:06:13,660 --> 01:06:11,869
of that train the engineer of that train

1495
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:13,670
I'm not saying it was it's just

1496
01:06:19,150 --> 01:06:15,650
something that went through my evil

1497
01:06:21,010 --> 01:06:19,160
little mind yeah yeah yeah yeah that's

1498
01:06:23,380 --> 01:06:21,020
the one Joe Biden travels on the gray

1499
01:06:26,170 --> 01:06:23,390
Joe Biden traveled the part of it from

1500
01:06:28,809 --> 01:06:26,180
from Wilmington down to Washington for

1501
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:28,819
years right maybe the voices were in his

1502
01:06:35,260 --> 01:06:32,210
head too well maybe so I don't know in

1503
01:06:37,450 --> 01:06:35,270
any case a lot of the loving lawmakers

1504
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:37,460
travel down the amtrak route it's true

1505
01:06:41,620 --> 01:06:39,170
actually them do love you know that's

1506
01:06:44,260 --> 01:06:41,630
interesting that is true that is true oh

1507
01:06:46,900 --> 01:06:44,270
and if you could influence lawmakers far

1508
01:06:52,829 --> 01:06:46,910
for the front far from the only one yeah

1509
01:06:56,049 --> 01:06:52,839
but it people in the Philly to

1510
01:06:57,640 --> 01:06:56,059
Washington stretch would come

1511
01:07:01,390 --> 01:06:57,650
playing about hearing voices in their

1512
01:07:03,849 --> 01:07:01,400
heads and that this stretch where the

1513
01:07:06,339 --> 01:07:03,859
train went out of control is about 15

1514
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:06,349
miles north of the stretch that began

1515
01:07:10,749 --> 01:07:09,650
but still it seems very coincidental may

1516
01:07:12,489 --> 01:07:10,759
have nothing what they may have

1517
01:07:15,870 --> 01:07:12,499
absolutely nothing to do with the other

1518
01:07:18,609 --> 01:07:15,880
but it's worth thinking about ya okay

1519
01:07:20,650 --> 01:07:18,619
okay well if anybody out there has any

1520
01:07:22,719 --> 01:07:20,660
clues already thoughts you know post

1521
01:07:26,279 --> 01:07:22,729
them on our website by all means which

1522
01:07:31,870 --> 01:07:26,289
is purusha the website again is is

1523
01:07:36,670 --> 01:07:31,880
shattered reality podcast.com and the

1524
01:07:39,969 --> 01:07:36,680
and if you go to itunes you will find us

1525
01:07:43,420 --> 01:07:39,979
shattered reality podcast and on

1526
01:07:46,239 --> 01:07:43,430
facebook you put in shattered reality

1527
01:07:49,949 --> 01:07:46,249
and it's the one which is listed as a

1528
01:07:53,529 --> 01:07:49,959
radio station okay but this is free

1529
01:07:56,170 --> 01:07:53,539
commercial free broadcasting's right no

1530
01:08:00,069 --> 01:07:56,180
green no no only greenbacks here no no

1531
01:08:03,519 --> 01:08:00,079
federal using lights here no credit no

1532
01:08:14,169 --> 01:08:03,529
bitcoins even sorry okay see you next

1533
01:08:17,470 --> 01:08:14,179
time okay take care welcome to shattered

1534
01:08:20,859 --> 01:08:17,480
reality with their hosts Kate valentine

1535
01:08:23,709 --> 01:08:20,869
and Farrugia prepare to have your